Comments for Norway: Muslims need a state of their own, says Krekar at http://www.khilafah.com , comment 1 to 9 out of 9 comments http://www.khilafah.com Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:36:00 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/news-watch/europe/8183-norway-muslims-need-a-state-of-their-own-says-krekar#comment-3479 AA... I keep coming back to this page... I should say that I fully accept the right of the Afghan people to engage in defending themselves against the invasion of the Kuffar... It should be said that there are people in the resistance who target only the Kuffar and do not fight against other Muslims... This could be beneficial for keeping the control of the invading armies weak in the region, keeping the wound bleeding so to say... and remain an inspiration for Muslims who want to defend their land against such an open aggression... Afterall Jihad will continue until the last day inshAllah - Dr Q A Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:40:17 +0100 http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/news-watch/europe/8183-norway-muslims-need-a-state-of-their-own-says-krekar#comment-3456 So in other words you dont know what is going on... Bro I have seen with my own eyes dead bodies of Pakistani soldiers blown to bits by these Jihadis shouting Allah Akbar on top of their bodies... There is a serious problem here... You are commenting on issues which are far more complex than you actually realize... I originate from the tribal areas of Pakistan I know the people and their mentality very well... I also know about the reports of blackwater operating in Pakistan... what you need to realize is that blackwater is only a recent entry into Pakistan whereas we have had stupidity in the name of Islam in that country for decades... even bombings and killings... Why do you defend the Taliban without knowing the issues in detail... The Taliban banned women from educating... Its as simple as this... It was never about western education since the Taliban in essence was a militia setup by Pakistan (at the request of the US perhaps) to sort out the mess in Afghanistan... Western education was nt part of the plan... Taliban had plenty of people with them who could have organize education for women... they did nt... there is no excuse for such an action... You seem to think that I m coming from a western angle to this issue... thats not the case... I m doing what I feel is one of the most important aspect of Dawah... and that is to criticize and highlight the haram that our regimes have been engaging in even in the name of Islam itself... These regimes are the biggest hurdle to the cause of Islam... Moreover the Taliban have done all sorts of crimes against their people... I was there when they took over in Afghanistan and I was there till the time they were kicked out... Its a joke Bro... has nothing to do with Islam... and this is why I would go back to the first statement I made on this topic... Unless thought is crystallized about revival Muslims will continue to be humiliated and fail in their mission and duty that Allah swt has placed upon them... Let me tell you something more... The Taliban refused to establish the Khilafah even when some people discussed it with them... This should tell you how sincere or cultured their main people who were running the movement were about matters of islam!!! They banned TVs... could nt they have recited the Quran on TVs? Does TV automatically mean something haram be seen on it? They banned quite a few things actually... Their unit for the acceptable length of beard was a lamp they held to the face of people to measure their beards... but most interestingly... they banned white socks... During their times Heroin production increased tremendously!!! They could have used all the opium to set up industries to make medications could nt they? Lack of funds was never an issue with Taliban... Lack of brains was... You are defending the indefendable here Bro... I ll leave it at that... I like your idea of a Palestinian as governor of Afghanistan though... :) He will still need a lot of local help... So you can always give me a call if you need to... Masalama - Dr Q A Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:02:33 +0100 http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/news-watch/europe/8183-norway-muslims-need-a-state-of-their-own-says-krekar#comment-3455 يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِن جَاءكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَأٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا أَن تُصِيبُوا قَوْمًا بِجَهَالَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا عَلَى مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَادِمِينَ "O you who believe! if a fasiq comes to you with a report, look carefully into it, lest you harm a people in ignorance, then be sorry for what you have done." [49:6] We need to be very careful when reading news from western news sources. Remember we are in the midst of a propoganda war against Islam. There is lots of misinformation being propogated by America and the Pakistan government against Muslim groups including HT. Read what those in Pakistan are saying about the bombings: HT Pakistan released a leaflet blaming Blackwater for the bombings in Pakistan. It can be read here: http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/analysis/asia/7989-this-war-of-fitna-is-americas-handiwork The Taliban released a Youtube video denying responsibility for killing Muslim civilians in Pakistan. You can view it here: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/11/20091116145058336650.html Mohammad Ilyas Kashmiri, an AQ Commander in Af-Pak clearly said in a recent interview with Asia Times: "Our battle cannot be against Muslims and believers. As I have mentioned earlier, what is happening at the moment in the Muslim world is a complexity due to American power games which have resulted into reactions and counter-reactions. This is a totally different debate and might deviate me from the real topic. The real game is the fight against the great Satan and its adherents," The full interview can be read here: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KJ15Df03.html Regarding the Taliban's ban on female education you should see what Islamic justification the Taliban gave for this before making sweeping statements. I dont know the evidence they have provided so I cant answer the question but from what I have gleamed from different reports they seem to be against the secular, western education that is teaching un-Islamic concepts to Muslim women rather than a blanket ban. I maybe wrong. "The goal of education is to produce the Islamic personality and to provide people with the knowledge related to life’s affairs. " This is taken from this article: http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/education/467-introduction-to-the-education-system Afghanistan has faced nothing but war for decades. Its hugely impoverished and is in desperate need of basic infrastructure. Admist all these problems the west focuses on womens education. Why? Why not focus on men's education as its the men in Afghanistan who will be the manual laborers, engineers, scientists and politicians in the short term until the country gets on its feet. If the Khilafah is established in Pakistan, then the Taliban, AQ 313, and all other jihadi groups will be brought in to the army under the leadership of the Ameer of Jihad and the Khaleefah who is Commander in-chief. Once Afghanistan and Pakistan are completely free of foreign forces then the task is to appoint a wali (governor) of Afghanistan who can unify all the waring tribes and ethnic groups, and start to build a prosperous state. I don't have enough knowledge about the region to give any credible policies that could be adopted by the Khilafah but one possible scenario is to appoint a Palestinian as the Wali of Afghanistan. Someone who is a complete outsider with no tribal links to any of the ethnic groups. Someone all the ethnic groups since they are Muslim will have some empathy with. Someone who in his decisions is acting solely according to Islam and who will use an iron fist against corruption since he has no family or tribal links to the area. This is my humble opinion. - Abdul-Kareem Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:58:12 +0100 http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/news-watch/europe/8183-norway-muslims-need-a-state-of-their-own-says-krekar#comment-3454 AA... while we are at this topic... what if Osama Bin Laden's Khilafah bans women from education... The Taliban did the same... there is no difference of opinion on this issue... Would you follow the Khaleefa still? - Dr Q A Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:50:52 +0100 http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/news-watch/europe/8183-norway-muslims-need-a-state-of-their-own-says-krekar#comment-3453 AA... I dont understand... are you trying to say that we should be ok with a method that is causing the spilling of the blood of muslims... the jihadis in pakistan are killing other muslims... I would nt want to live in a state setup by killing other Muslims... It is more than just another opinion and you can call it whatever you like... its still wrong to kill fellow Muslims... and the Jihadis are easily able to do this because they consider these other Muslims as kuffar... Sheikh Ahmed respects those who call for spilling of Muslim blood? - Dr Q A Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:08:35 +0100 http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/news-watch/europe/8183-norway-muslims-need-a-state-of-their-own-says-krekar#comment-3444 In "Concepts of Hizb ut-Tahrir" which is an adopted book of the Hizb it states: ...the da’awah carriers should consider their understanding of the rules as correct, with the possibility that they may be wrong, while the understanding of other people wrong, with the possibility that they may be correct. This is in order to proceed with the da’wah for Islam and its rules according to their understanding and derivation of them, trying to change the opinions of others which they consider wrong, but could possibly be correct. It is totally incorrect for the da’wah carriers to view their understanding as if it is the opinion of Islam, rather they have to present their opinion as an Islamic opinion. The mujtahids who established the schools of Fiqh (madhabs) used to consider their deduction of the rules as correct, accepting the possibility of it being wrong. Each one of them used to say; “If a hadith was correct then it will be my mazhab, and don’t consider my opinion.” Likewise the carriers of the da’wah should also consider their opinions which they adopt or derive from Islam in terms of their understanding of such opinions, as being correct but open to error, but their belief in Islam as an ‘aqeedah must not contain any doubt whatsoever. Such an attitude of the da’wah carriers regarding their understanding is because the da’wah implants in their souls the yearning towards perfection, and mandates them to continuously explore the truth, and scrutinise whatever they know or understand. Such a process will purify their knowledge from any alien idea and remove from it anything which has the potential to be considered part of it if it remains close to it. This is to ensure that their understanding remains sound, the thought deep and consequently the Fikrah remains pure and clear. This is because they will truly be able to perform the da’wah as long as the Fikrah remains pure and clear. Indeed the purity of the Fikrah and the clarity of the Tareeqah are the only guarantee for the success of the da’wah and its continuity. Regarding the Jihadi methodology of establishing the Islamic State. Sheikh Ahmed Mahmoud in his book "Call to Islam" states: "In response to this understanding, whose advocates we respect even though we disagree with them in this opinion..." - Abdul-Kareem Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:08:01 +0100 http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/news-watch/europe/8183-norway-muslims-need-a-state-of-their-own-says-krekar#comment-3436 AA Abdul Kareem... For acceptance of other Islamic opinions they need to be a "valid" Ijtihad... These days every Tom, Dick and Harry is doing Ijtihad and even scholars have made a mockery of this term... May I remind you of Bin Baz who supposedly did this "Ijtihad" that Saudi Arabia can seek the help of the Kuffar (basically to be based in the Arabian peninsula to butcher other Muslims)... and to this date the worst enemies of Islam i.e Saudi Salafis state that Bin Baz will get one reward for the wrong Ijtihad that he did!!!! What a joke and insult to the memory of the murdered and raped hundreds of thousands of Muslims... I really hope you dont ascribe to such opinions for they have nothing to do with Islam... and if you do then I have nothing to do with you... I am not aware of this Ijtihad of Khilafah by the use of armed struggle... The prophecy of the Rasool Allah saw should be sufficient in this matter which clearly states that the Khilafah that we will get inshAllah will be upon the method of the Prophet... You know very well that the method of Rasool Allah saw to achieve Nusrah did not include armed struggle!!! Your second point about defensive Jihad is an interesting one... you may be surprised to know that even many people among the Kuffar accept this right of people to fight back if their land is invaded (no matter what its for... democracy, freedom, food, medicine and supplies as George Bush stated at the start of the Iraq war in 2003)... So there is no disagreement on this point... However I am amused at something that you are overlooking... Do you seriously believe that the people who died in the 9/11 attacks were invading some Muslim country and the 9/11 attacks were some sort of a defensive Jihad? It would be akin to saying that the Crusades started by the Europeans were defensive wars... Lastly most certainly it is upto Allah swt whom He gives the Khilafah... I have no problems with giving bayah to someone I disagree with but only if the disagreement has some validity in Islam and is not some rediculous twisting that I have seen done by many Muslims where ahadith and even the ayat of Allah swt have been manipulated and twisted to give them all sorts of meanings... So difference of opinion is only acceptable if it is based on Islam... Alif Laam Meem does not stand for Allah Lenin and Marx as I once heard a man say!!! and Democracy is most certainly Kufr no matter how many "scholars" from Al Azhar disagree with me on this... I am also weary of this idea that I m some sort of a Robot which has to give bayah instantly as soon as I hear the Khilafah has been reestablished in some Muslim land... I possess some senses and knowledge and thinking (praise be to Allah) and unless the Khilafah is given to Hizb ut Tahrir which I have deeply observed, studied and discussed, I would wait and see what this supposed Khilafah is doing... I dont know of any other group other than the Hizb which has described the system of Khilafah in its details... So what good would be the name Khilafah when a group of Muslims come to power and ban all televisions and music (there is a valid difference of opinion on matter of music perhaps so not a good example)... better example... deny women education like the Taliban did... It most certainly wont be on the method of the Rasool Allah saw because it wont be implementing Islam and I wont be celebrating in such a scenario because I will know that the work for the Islamic State is not finished and such a purported State is only a distraction by some clever enemies of Islam perhaps or a chance victory of some uncultured Muslims that like the Taliban of the past is doomed to be destroyed ending in further misery for Muslims... Lastly if I may point out... Just because I would support the Hizb for Khilafa does nt mean that I would show any hesitation in criticizing the party or its membership if I know that something wrong is being done... The Hizb is not above the laws of Allah and the Khaleefa wont be either... From my experience though I would be very careful in such criticism and know all the details of the issue before I say anything... In previous episodes of Hizb vs Dr Q A I have generally been badly defeated... :) May Allah forgive us for we have cried for our brothers who gave their lives for Islam in Uzbekistan, Afghanistan and Iraq and continue to be oppressed all over the world by the forces of Evil... The Hizb got me pregnant with Dawah and left me all alone in a country where they dont operate... May all my sins be forgiven for enduring such a misery!!! Ameen Eid Mubarak to you and the Ummah!!! - Dr Q A Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:58:48 +0100 http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/news-watch/europe/8183-norway-muslims-need-a-state-of-their-own-says-krekar#comment-3434 We need to remember that there are other Islamic opinions based on ijtihad out there that we may disagree with, but nevertheless they are Islamic opinions. We cant make statements that a Khilafah led by Osama wouldnt be based on Islam simply because we disagree with his ijtihad. Also defensive jihad against those who come and occupy the lands is fard with or without the Khilafah since the Holy Qur'an is now complete and we cant disregard those Medina verses. It is up to Allah (swt) who He (swt) gives the nasr (victory) and support to. If He (swt) in his infinite wisdom gives it to a group we may disagree with and they establish the Khilafah and appoint a Khaleefah the entire Ummah is obliged to give the bay'ah. - Abdul-Kareem Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:56:29 +0100 http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/news-watch/europe/8183-norway-muslims-need-a-state-of-their-own-says-krekar#comment-3433 AA... The problem with Mulla Krekar and people like him is that they dont have any crystallized thought... A caliphate led by someone like Osama Bin Laden wont be a Caliphate achieved on the method of the Prophet saw... Neither would it function on the method of the Prophet saw... The prophet saw never engaged with the Kuffar in war before the Islamic State was created... Moreover Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda do not make a distinction between combatants and non combatants... They delibrately killed and attacked civilians on 9/11... True the crimes of America against the Muslim world are huge we should remember what Syedi Omer Mukhtar told his soldiers about treating the Kuffar the same way the Kuffar treated Musilms... "They are NOT our Teachers" - Dr Q A Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:18:14 +0100